Transcript: Guide to Weaning Your Baby

Jacqueline Kincer  00:38

Welcome to today's episode of the Breastfeeding Talk podcast. I am so excited to share this with you because I have not done a podcast episode quite like this before. In fact, this is not even my own podcast episode. Now before you go ahead and turn this off, bear with me. But this is actually an interview that I did with the amazing Brittany of the Growth Our Family podcast. And she had me come on and do an episode on weaning for her audience. So I know a lot of you have asked for this episode. And honestly, it was just so good Brittany is an excellent interviewer. And I thought why would I reinvent the wheel? And go ahead and just do a weaning podcast? I could just share the one that I already did. So she was gracious enough to let me share the recording of our interview with you guys here on the Breastfeeding Talk podcast. 

 

So in this episode, I really answer the different myths about weaning. There's sort of a right way and a wrong way to do it, when to do it, how to do it, all those good things, and we go in really super deep. In fact, this is a ton of stuff that I usually share in weaning consults that I do with my clients, but I'm giving it to you in this interview. So here we go.

 

Brittany Dougherty  01:58

Hello, and welcome back. We have Jacqueline here to talk all about weaning. How's it going, Jacqueline?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  02:03

It's going great, Brittany, and thank you for having me.

 

Brittany Dougherty  02:06

Oh, thanks so much for coming on the show to talk about such an important topic.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  02:11

Yes, it's a very important topic. And I don't feel like it's talked about enough.

 

Brittany Dougherty  02:15

Definitely not. So can we start by telling the listeners a little bit about yourself and how you got into lactation?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  02:22

Yeah, absolutely. So, seven years ago, I was doing something entirely different. I was a stockbroker. And I loved that job. And I was doing really great at it. And then I had my son and I really experienced a lot of breastfeeding difficulties with him and found myself without the help and support that I needed. And I didn't have any friends who were already having children.

 

So I basically spent a lot of time researching a lot of things on my own and seeking out as many support groups as I could. And the more I went down that path, the more I got really passionate about other mothers not having to struggle as I did. And not everyone has the same resources that I had at that time. And so just before I knew it started studying, taking classes to get certified to teach classes. And then I went full steam ahead and became a board-certified lactation consultant. I opened my practice. Let's see when he was three years old. So that's where I am today.

 

Brittany Dougherty  03:27

Oh, wow. That's amazing. I love your story and how you got into it. I'm sure it's very rewarding. I can only imagine.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  03:35

It's incredibly rewarding. And there's definitely some days where I've gone home at the end of the day. And I realized, I may have just saved a baby's life today. And it's very emotional, very grateful that I have the skills to do this work, and to support these mothers and babies and just families. But it's definitely very intense at times as well.

 

Brittany Dougherty  04:00

Oh, definitely. I have such a love for lactation consultants. They're the reason my son and I were able to start our breastfeeding journey. We had a lot of troubles in the beginning. And we're going on 14 months and still going strong. So it literally would never have happened without our lactation consultants. So you guys are amazing. You're incredible in what you do. And from the client side, I can tell you that you guys are just incredible. I know I've said it a few times, but I just have so much respect for you and your profession.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  04:30

Oh, that's awesome to hear. And congrats on going so long in your breastfeeding journey.

 

Brittany Dougherty  04:35

Thank you. So now, let's talk a little bit about weaning. How do you know if it's time to wean?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  04:43

That's a really, really good question. And it's multifactorial.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  04:47

So I'm going to kind of just start out from the perspective of what we as healthcare providers treating lactation, what we recommend, and we recommend following the World Health Organization guidelines, which are that the child should breastfeed until age two, and beyond as long as it's mutually desirable.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  05:10

Now, there's other health organizations out there that recommend at least one year. But biologically speaking for the human species, the normal age of weaning for humans is between ages two and seven. So if someone wants to ask me, When should I wean? Weaning earlier than two would be abnormal for our biology and our physiology. There are risks with that. And we do call that early weaning. Most people aren't aware of that.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  05:37

And that's not a judgment statement of any kind that's just factual and based on what we know about our species. And so then a lot of people go, Well, you know, how do I know when my baby's ready to wean?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  05:50

Some mothers will choose letting their baby self wean, other mothers will drive the weaning process themselves. And there's various reasons for that. Sometimes, it's a medical condition. I've supported many patients of mine who are dealing with cancer, and they cannot breastfeed while they're going through chemotherapy, or they need to have breast surgery of some kind, or, it just becomes too much.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  06:16

It's affecting their health and their fertility or whatever, right? There’s a lot of different reasons.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  06:21

So you may have a medical reason that it's time to lean beyond that, if you're happy to keep breastfeeding, as long as you and your baby are happy doing it, and you are able to sort of ignore some of the societal pressures out there, your child will ultimately stop nursing at some point on their own, whether or not you encourage them to do so.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  06:44

And often toddlers nurse really frequently. And if you don't know that, you might feel like something maybe is off or wrong, or that they're not getting enough nutrition from solid foods or things like that. But it's actually really common that up until the age of two, and even a bit after that, they're still going to nurse several times a day unless you intervene and start that process for yourself.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  07:10

But a big question that a lot of moms have is usually about nighttime, and that their child is still waking up to nurse a lot during that time. And they may feel like  if I could just wean at night and get some more sleep, it's been a couple years, I'm just really tired. 

 

Jacqueline Kincer  07:29

It’s okay to listen to your body, it's okay to say, I need to really cut down on this. And the true definition of weaning doesn't mean ceasing. Nursing weaning actually means doing anything other than breastfeeding. So technically, when your baby started having solid foods, that was actually the beginning of the weaning process. And a lot of people don't know that that's the real definition. But weaning a baby under a year olds, they're going to need some sort of milk replacement, they cannot just exist on solid foods, they're going to need formula or donated breast milk or something like that. You cannot just stop feeding a baby under one year olds, any sort of nutritional milk product, and cow's milk wouldn't be appropriate at that age.

 

Brittany Dougherty  08:19

Oh, good to know. And are there tips for weaning a baby under a year versus a baby over a year old?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  08:26

Yes, there are. Because it's really not recommended to wean a baby under a year old. That would really be, I mean, if it was a strong maternal choice for whatever reason, or a medical reason or something like that, hopefully it can be avoided. But formula supplementation has to be introduced, the moment that  weaning begins.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  08:49

And then depending on the age of the baby, if they're under six months, and they're not having solid foods, it's obviously going to be keeping a close eye on the weight gain, with solid foods and formula and breast milk mixed for over six months. 

 

Jacqueline Kincer  09:04

Sometimes increasing solid food quantity is great, but they're still going to need formula to get the complete nutrition package and all of that as well. So you want to keep a really sharp eye on not only just diaper output, but weight gain in particular, and definitely follow up with either lactation consultants or pediatrician through those several weeks that it's going to take you to wean.

 

Brittany Dougherty  09:31

Good to know. And is there a difference in daytime versus nighttime learning approaches? I know you mentioned a little bit about how parents kind of want to wean the nighttime first so they do get more sleep.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  09:43

Yeah, you know, it depends. And again, it's going to be dependent on the age of the child. So generally, I'll say most people are doing that past two year olds. Some children will find that they're not nursing during the day because their mother is back at work.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  10:02

A lot of moms will start to wean off of pumping during the day at work. So they're not really breastfeeding during the day, it may be that they only breastfeed at night. Or it could go the opposite direction where they're breastfeeding only during the day. And they're wanting to do the night weaning process with their child. And that's a very individual decision usually made by the family as a whole. Some children do really well with it. But anytime you're doing something, unless it's because of a medical thing, like, again, chemotherapy or a breast surgery are something that would immediately, like you need to cease breastfeeding, you do not want to go through the weaning process rapidly.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  10:43

There are a lot of risks to that, not just mastitis and plugged ducts and those sorts of things. But also a very dramatic shift in your hormones that can affect your mood, amongst other things as a mom, but then also, it's really difficult for your child, especially one who's really young and doesn't have language skills yet and is developing emotionally, they have that ability to nurse all that time for all of this comfort, and all of a sudden, cold turkey, you cut it out, it's really hard for them to come to terms with that. So we always recommend taking a slow, gentle approach when that's appropriate.

 

Brittany Dougherty  11:24

Do you have suggestions for different approaches that moms could take in the weaning preface?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  11:31

Yeah, absolutely. One of the first things I always recommend is that, instead of trying to cut out nursing sessions, just reducing the number of nursing sessions right away, what I usually suggest is actually just reducing the time that you're allowing your child to nurse.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  11:48

So again, it's about being gradual, and it's about being gentle about it. So you're not outright denying the nursing, but you're just cutting down on that time, it's the same advice I would give to a mother who's wanting to wean off a pumping, you wouldn't just cut out a pumping session, you would go from pumping for 15 minutes to 10, stay there for a few days. Now check in with your body, see how you're feeling and then eventually reduce it to five minutes, and then eventually cut it all together. It's gonna work similarly with nursing sessions as well. And some tricks that I try to offer my clients and some tips or things like you could set a timer, you could sing a song, you could play a song, you could read a book. And then whenever that activity is done, that's when the nursing stops.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  12:30

But the most important key is, even if you don't think your child isn't speaking, or it might seem like they don't understand, you need to have an open line of communication with them outside of these actual nursing or weaning times. So meaning during the day, when your child's calm and an active state, just have a quick conversation and say, we're going to start having less milk, or boobie or whatever word it is, whatever word you use.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  12:59

And we're just not gonna be able to do that for as long anymore. And you're just consistent. And you just say the same message over and over again.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  13:10

But preparing your child when they're not nursing, when they're not going to get emotional about it. And just very matter of fact, stating what's going to happen, so they know what to expect is going to ease that transition.

 

Brittany Dougherty  13:23

Oh, yeah. And I think a lot of times our kids understand more than what we think they do. My son's 14 months old. And there's a lot of times that I'd like to ask him a question. And he'll start to not obviously, verbally respond, but like, we'll start like going through the actions like, do you want to go to the car? Or are you hungry? Do you want some milk and he just instantly drops what he's doing and walks over to me.  They understand I think more than what we think they do, even though they're not communicating with us.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  13:51

They really do and also trying to give your child a choice in this as well is very, very powerful.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  13:58

And this just comes from a respectful and conscious parenting approach. But really offering them a choice like okay, well milky is all done now. Would you like to have your lovey or your stuffy? Or would you like to have a cup of water or just let them choose an alternative one set activities done.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  14:20

Do you want me to read you another story? Or do you want me to snuggle with you?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  14:24

And just giving them two choices to do instead of nursing, or now they feel empowered, because the one thing you don't want them to feel like the rug just got pulled out from underneath them. That's going to really shake their trust in you.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  14:39

It could disrupt the bond with you when you just take it away and you don't offer other means of comforting them.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  14:46

And the other thing there too, is to really acknowledge your child's feelings, they may cry, they may get angry, they may hit you, they may react in a very unexpected way or maybe it is expected because you know your child so well. And it's important that you don't get frustrated back at them, that you don't take their emotions personally, that you are there to support them, let them feel heard and say, I know you feel sad that you can't nurse anymore right now. But I can hold you or I'm here when you're ready, or whatever it is, because this is a big time, big developmental leap for them.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  15:27

And if you're upset with them for being upset, now, we're kind of adding and piling on to this meaning thing not being a positive thing, what we want meaning to be no matter how it has to be done, if it needs to be done rapidly, or if we can take our time, we want it to be a time where we really build up resiliency and our children, get them to a whole new level of emotional growth, because weaning is a milestone, meaning they're moving on to sort of the next stage of their childhood. And it should be something that you look back on and feel really good about not feeling guilt, or anxiety, or wishing you had done things differently.

 

Brittany Dougherty  16:07

Oh, yeah, that's a great point. Because I know a lot of moms have a lot of mixed emotions about it. Their kids are moving on. And they're getting older, which is both a happy thing and can sometimes be a little bit of a sad thing, because they're no longer like your little baby that you remember holding in nursing from the day they came home from the hospital.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  16:27

Absolutely. And also, it's important to give yourself grace too. You may be more sleep deprived than normal to just give yourself grace to go through this time. And, let go of some of the other stresses that you may have going on in your life as much as you can.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  16:44

And also, just because you said this week, you're going to win, and it's not going well, or you're feeling just very sad about it, you can always change your mind, you can always go back and say, Well, you know what, I'm not ready, and my child isn't ready, either. And so we're going to continue to nurse for now. And I've supported many friends and clients of mine through that, and it's okay, you know, ultimately, again, unless there's some sort of medical problem going on, you know, breastfeeding is something that's decided between you and your baby. And I know other people will have opinions about it. But you do need to listen to your gut. And if it's feeling just super, super painful, and you're not feeling ready, and your child isn't feeling ready, then it's okay to just take a step back and say, You know what, we'll try and get in three months, or whatever it is, that would be fine, too.

 

Brittany Dougherty  17:37

Oh, definitely. Are there tips to make weaning more comfortable for mom, we've kind of talked about how to like prepare your child for it. But how can you make the process the most comfortable for a mom?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  17:50

That's a great question. You know, as long as you are doing it gradually, where you're not just suddenly cutting out nursing or pumping sessions, and you are just reducing the time, and you reduce it by a few minutes, and you stay there for you know, a few days at a time, then you really shouldn't experience any discomfort, there'd be no reason for that. It's only when moms are doing things like you know, I've had moms tell me, they're going to take their older child on vacation, and they're gone. And yeah, you're going to experience a lot of pain, and it's very uncomfortable if you're going to physically separate from your child during eating, which I wouldn't recommend. But if you do, you want to make sure you are having some way to express breast milk to relieve the pressure, you cannot just, you know, not express it, you're going to risk mastitis and plug ducts and a lot of discomfort and pain for yourself. The other thing that I want to really let your listeners know is the number one thing you should never do is to bind your breasts. 

 

There are still blogs and information out there on the internet that suggests doing this. That is one of the worst things that you could do for that lymphatic tissue and your mammary glands. And you can actually cause quite a bit of damage. So please don't ever wear super tight sports bras, bind your breasts, anything like that, if anything, we actually want to encourage free movement of the tissue, gentle breast massage, things of that nature, you may apply, you know cold cabbage leaves or cold packs to the breast. 

 

But I don't encourage doing ice or things like that. Because as your breasts go through this process of you know, slowing down milk production and they go through a process called involution where essentially the mammary glands those cells just start to dissipate and the fat and your breast rearranges their stem cells at play and different inflammatory factors and when you is you actually shut down the healing of that tissue that happens and so you know, I really wouldn't apply any sort of holder is beyond the first like 24 hours of discomfort. You're more than welcome To take anti inflammatory, you know, herbs or medications recommended by your physician or health care provider, but you definitely don't want to do anything that's creating more pain. Just, you know, you do want to keep some milk flowing until you're actually comfortable not expressing milk at all.

 

Brittany Dougherty  20:19

Oh, definitely. That's great to know. And I, I've heard the wrapping thing. I've never obviously tried it, but I had no idea that it's so dangerous and bad for your body.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  20:30

Yeah, it's Yeah. And, and again, your body is trying to send, you know, some anti-inflammatory things there, you know, maybe some antibodies, things of that of that nature. And if those pathways were cut off, you don't have good lymphatic drainage and flow, you can get toxin buildup, you can really get yourself a terrible case of mastitis. And that is the last thing we want for you to end your nursing journey with. But at any point in time, we just really don't want that to happen at all. So it is important to us, you know, gentle expression, gentle massage, if you're doing something to your breasts, you know, no firm massage, things like that. But if you're doing something your breasts, that hurts, that's a sign that you shouldn't be doing it and binding generally doesn't feel very good. You may find you want to wear a supportive bra during this time, but definitely nothing that's going to be constricting and cutting off like blood flow and lymphatic flow to the tissue.

 

Brittany Dougherty  21:23

Definitely. And so when you're going through the weaning process, and you mentioned, like starting to limit your time breastfeeding, like from 15 to 10 to five minutes, and then cutting it out altogether. How do you decide which sessions to cut out first?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  21:40

That is a super, super great question. It's always easiest to eliminate the ones where your child could be doing another activity. So daytime ones are usually easiest. First, if you're looking at like total weaning where you maybe can take them out somewhere, get them to play, give them a snack, something else. Nighttime time tends to be harder, it's going to be a lot of snuggles cuddles racking, you know more hands-on approach during the nighttime. But I will say the last sessions to Elin EMELIN, excuse me eliminate are the ones to help your child fall asleep. And when your child wakes up. In fact, the nursing session when your child wakes up, tends to be one of the very last ones to go because they're really not in their conscious brain, when they first wake up, they're very much just habit based, and that it has been habit for them for so long. And it's a comfort. And so they they tend to either make it the nursing session, when they wake up or the one when they fall asleep to be the last sessions to be eliminated. It's usually easier to cut out nursing your child to sleep because you can comfort them in other ways. But when they wake up, and they're not, they don't have that nursing, they're available to them. It can be really, really cranky right off the bat. And it can be very hard to calm them down and comfort them during that time. So it's usually the last one to go.

 

Brittany Dougherty  23:01

And do you just still follow the same method of just slowly shortening the amount of time that they are smaller when they wake up to eventually it's only like one or two minutes? And then you got to cut it out altogether?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  23:12

Yes, absolutely. And it's all about just being calm, you know, your child will follow your lead. So if you just call me say, Okay, I understand you want to nurse, I will let you nurse for two minutes, I'll set this timer when it goes off. We're all done with nursing. And you just set that boundary and you always abide by that. And you don't waver in that. When you don't waver in that, then your child understands that they need to respect your body and your wishes. And you're actually teaching them a really valuable lesson there.

 

Brittany Dougherty  23:43

I know you touched a little bit earlier on how weaning can cause kids to just be a little bit upset about it. Are there other behavior issues that are common when you're going through this process?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  23:56

That's a really great question.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  23:57

I will say I probably tend to tend to set people up for like, you know, worst case scenario, just so that when it isn't that way, they're pleasantly surprised.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  24:06

Many kids do great with the weaning process, they might think it's no big deal at all. In fact, they might start dropping the nursing sessions all together. It just sort of depends. It depends on what the nursing patterns have been like. And, I do a lot of weaning consultations with my clients, even ones that haven't been clients with me previously, just because they're really not sure you know, they feel like well, I co sleep with my child and we're very attached.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  24:31

So weaning might be really hard and in generally, you know your child best, you know what might be difficult and it can be great to have guidance and you know, someone to contact for continued support. But you may very well go through this and think, Oh, my child's going to be upset or whatever and they might not care at all, they might just going to nursing strike at that point and be done all together and be very happy to have a little teddy bear blanket instead of nursing.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  24:55

So it really depends and sometimes our children surprise us but it is very, very common for children to be sad, it's very common for them to feel angry, it's very common for them also to act out in other ways that don't seem related. So, as I was saying many children can have a range of emotions.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  25:19

And again, it's important just to not take that personally, I do know that can be really hard as a breastfeeding mom, especially if you're feeling some hormone shifts and things but just know that this is a normal part of them growing up. And even if you weren't encouraging this weaning process yourself, they very, very well may feel some bittersweet feelings or mixed emotions going through this.

 

Brittany Dougherty  25:43

Oh, definitely. And I know, something that isn't really talked about a lot is postweaning depression? And can you explain a little bit of what that is? And what the signs are from that?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  25:54

Yeah, absolutely.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  25:57

I think that happens when weaning is done too early or too rapidly. So again, just if you can follow the guidelines I mentioned at the beginning of our interview, you'll do a lot to just avoid that. But if you are feeling that, what I would say is, if you've done a gentle gradual, weaning process, your hormones shouldn't be affecting you in that way, necessarily.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  26:21

There could be a lot of other factors. You want to make sure you're taking really great care of your nutrition, your nutrition has a lot to do with how your neurotransmitters function with your hormones, all of the signaling that happens there.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  26:35

So you want to make sure to hear that, obviously, sleep is really important, but that might be disrupted during this time. But if you're really feeling like you're struggling, and you're feeling like you're experiencing some depression, I would really encourage you reach out to your health care provider, maybe it's an IBCLC, we can screen for depression, refer you, maybe go straight to a therapist, maybe it's a primary care provider and you go the route of medication temporarily or long term. But definitely don't ignore those signs.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  27:06

If you're feeling like something is really wrong. And it may have nothing to do with leaning at all. Sometimes I find breastfeeding actually takes the brunt of the blame. But perhaps the reason you wanted to lean to begin with had to do with some things. And they're becoming more apparent for you as you go through the process or finish it up. And again, it's a good idea to talk to a healthcare provider about this, get it checked out. Don't ignore it. Don't just think you can power through, it's okay to reach out and ask for support.

 

Brittany Dougherty  27:37

Oh, awesome. That's great advice. And I like to end my episodes with a product recommendation for pregnant or new mamas. Is there anything that you found helpful either during your own experiences with pregnancy and parenting or something that you would recommend to some of your clients that you find helpful?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  27:57

Now, that's a really good question. Everybody might have some different needs when it comes to breastfeeding. What one thing I really do recommend that is great is some sort of a baby carrier.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  28:09

And for reason why I recommend this, I already know I can hear the chatter in the background of people listening, going, Oh, my baby hates the carrier. Well, it does take some time for your baby to get used to it. And you may need to try some different ones. But for just a couple of reasons. One, obviously, you can become hands free as a mom and be able to do things while holding your baby, you can usually get them to sleep a little better.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  28:35

You're a little more mobile things of that nature. But it's also really, really great for their development.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  28:42

It's a great way if you don't have a lot of time to do tummy time, which is really, really excellent for successful breastfeeding. But it's also great for you to not be sitting on the couch all the time, I think we really underestimate how much movement we need to be getting. And that includes not just ourselves, but our babies. So your baby in the womb is moving around all the time when they come out.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  29:06

They're not actually expecting to be sitting down in a recliner with a nursing pillow and being completely still to nurse. And so often my clients are surprised when I have them just stand up, rocker bounce a little bit and their babies latch beautifully and nurse so much better. And you can actually start to learn to do that and a baby carrier.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  29:25

So I know they can be a little bit pricey, but it's a great thing to add to your registry. I always recommend the ones where the legs are at a 90 degree angle. They're not just hanging straight down that can contribute to hip dysplasia, but there's slings, there's backpack style carriers. There's all different types out there on the market. So definitely do your research and invest in something that keeps their hips at like a 90 degree angle and you can think any later when your baby loves it and you have your hands back.

 

Brittany Dougherty  29:55

Oh definitely. It's great for everything travel or just being around the house and getting some chores done or anything like that.

 

Brittany Dougherty  30:01

We love our carriers, we have a few different ones. And it totally depends on our situation which one we prefer. But yeah, that's great!

 

Jacqueline Kincer  30:09

You find you by several of them like it!

 

Brittany Dougherty  30:13

For sure. And so to kind of wrap up the episode, where can listeners find you if they want to get in contact? Do you do phone consultations for breastfeeding mamas? Or do you stick to kind of local?

 

Jacqueline Kincer  30:26

Absolutely. That's a great question. So right now in my practice, I'm only doing video consultations, I can do phone consultations, they're just not eligible for insurance reimbursement. But I do video and that's a couple reasons I was involved in a physical accident.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  30:41

So working physically hands on with people is just not an option for me right at this moment. But normally I do home visits in the Phoenix area. I have a series of online classes that are available on my website at holistic, lactation, calm. And I put out a lot of information on my own podcast called breastfeeding talk. And then I'm really active on Instagram at holistic lactation. And I've got tons of great posts on there. I'm on there every day and got some great IG TV videos on all sorts of things dealing with breastfeeding.

 

Brittany Dougherty  31:14

Oh, awesome. Thank you so much. And I'll link to all of those things in the show notes for anyone that wants to find Jacqueline on her social medias or podcast or website or anything like that. So I'll make sure they're all listed there for you guys to find very easily.

 

Jacqueline Kincer  31:29

Awesome. Thank you so much, Brittany, it's been so awesome to share about this topic, and help people with this information on their weaning journey.

 

Brittany Dougherty  31:38

Definitely. Thanks so much for coming on and sharing all of this amazing information with all of us.